Should location or geographic region influence interest or demand for gaming a particular period? In today's installment of exploring WSS' Great Wargaming Survey results, the role of location on wargaming period preference is examined.
Periods by Location
As seen in previous analyses assessing top choices of wargaming periods, World War II gaming is the most popular. A breakdown by region (Location) shows that World War II gaming is the top wargaming period of choice across all regions (see Figure 1). Looking at the other favorite periods within each region shows that the various Fantasy/Sci-Fi periods claim the next several ranked places.
Two general observations from Figure 1 appear. These observations are:
- UK/Ireland and Australia/New Zealand tend to play more historical wargaming periods than the rest of the world.
- Wargaming preferences are very similar for UK/Ireland and Australia/New Zealand gamers.
What drives these two tendencies? Is it age related (survey data suggests age could be a contributing factor)? National characteristics? Something else?
Figure 1 |
Locations by Period
Transposing the data to show location by period provides more insight into any differences between regions.
Figure 2 aggregates the top three wargaming period choices and ranks these periods in order of descending popularity. That is, World War II is the most chosen period and 19th Century Other is the least chosen.
Since the UK/Ireland and USA/Canada regions comprise the largest percentage of total survey responses, tendencies and generalizations will be kept to these two dominate regions for this exercise.
Figure 2 |
- World War II is equally popular.
- US gamers tends to favor Fantasy/Sci-Fi periods more so than UK gamers.
- UK gamers tends to favor historical periods more so than US gamers.
- US wargamers prefer American Civil War much more than their UK counterparts.
- UK wargamers prefer Pike & Shotte much more than their US counterparts.
Is there a foundation for these reported differences and do these results hold any commercial value?
Given your own geographic region, do these generalized tendencies hold for your own wargaming preferences?
Interesting stuff Jon, with the people and gamers I know there is very little that can been drawn from location but your statistics seem to show some trends. I only know one person who is pretty much entirely focussed on one specific period. Many of us (Uk) are drawn to the breadth and scale of the ACW and yet less people game AWI…..and there you are collecting and gaming ECW and WoTR ? Of course there is a time thing in relation to History, who knows what would have happened if ‘modern’ industrial civilisation had developed outside of Europe.
ReplyDeleteHi Matt. Good to see that this topic provides something of interest. Since this represents only a snapshot in time (2022), these results highlight tendencies only.
DeleteAfter some thought, I cannot recall any acquaintance specializing in only one wargaming period. I need to give this question more thought.
You bring up an interesting point about a draw to the ACW by UK gamers. The survey suggests that North Americans are more likely to game the period. Could it be a sense of mystique in exploring and gaming a foreign war?
I am not such a good example to use as a gamer drawn to foreign wars. As you know, I collect and game many periods.
Thanks for your insight!
đŸ˜€ you are a bad example Jon as I’m struggling to think of a period you don’t collect.
DeleteThere are a few...
DeleteStill time to remedy that Jon.....!
DeleteNo doubt! I am working on it.
DeleteThis is the trouble with statistics etc Johnathan, one can believe you have an accurate record of why and what people do and hence form an opinion from the detail, when other reasons that cannot be captured by the data are more likely to influence what the statistics is saying. For instance, I would suspect that the wargamers that complete the WSS survey subscribe to the magazine and are probably well established wargamers. If that is the case they are probably aged between 40 and 80. If that is true then they will inevitably have started with historical games, ie based loosely on historical fact. Fantasy and Games Workshop influence came later in the evolution of wargaming, say the mid 1980's onwards. Its fair to say that wargaming started on its journey in the UK and the USA, courtesy of Jack Scruby and Donald Featherstone, so it shouldnt be a surprise that is where historical games etc are more prevalent. The most important thing that should be drawn from this survey is the hobby is still healthy and growing, after that it should show how diverse we are in our gaming tastes.
ReplyDeleteHi Robbie! Thanks for taking the time to respond. You paint a picture of the hobby history at which few would disagree. As you state, if nothing else, the survey shows a healthy wargaming hobby with plenty of diversity.
DeleteOf course, you are correct that inferences (especially based upon statistics) can only be as sound as the survey and data collection methods.
Age demographics from the 2022 show an age breakdown of,
40% that are age 40 and under
60% that are age 41 and over
You are correct in guessing that respondents are probably between ages of 40 and 80 but the split is not as unbalanced as one might expect when one factors in such attributes as career, family, time availability, and disposable income.
Irrespective of whether the data is "accurate" enough to draw meaningful conclusions, I think it's fair to say that one's interest in wargaming periods is (at least weakly) influenced by the military history of one's own country.
ReplyDeleteMost wargamers I know have a very broad interest in military history in general, but when it comes down to choosing wargaming periods, I do notice a tendency to either stick to the big periods, and/or choose periods that have some meaningful role in the history of one's own country. I live in Belgium, and that has translated in a wargaming interest in WW1 trench fighting (that period is very much ingrained in the Belgian psyche for a lot of reasons). On the other hand, I would never probably start a wargaming project for the Spanish Civil War or the Schleswig-Holstein war, although Spanish or Danish wargamers might find those periods very interesting.
As for WW2, one thing not to forget is that the UK/US were on the winning side, and so, the narrative around WW2 is different in the UK/US compared to let's say European countries that had to suffer occupation and worse. That doesn't mean EU wargamers don't play WW2, but it might explain subtle differences in interests and associations one makes with specific periods.
Thanks for weighing in, PhilI
DeleteIf you have a more accurate and representative sample of the wargaming hobby, please share your results!
Given your reservations on survey validity, your observations generally corroborate the tendencies surfaced in the survey. That is, wargamers may have a tendency to game (or at least an interest in) periods in which there may be a national/regional interest.
Having examined these survey results for a number of years now, one observation I can make is that the results are consistent year after year. Remarkably so. Rarely do I see wild swings in the results from year to year. With sample size generally exceeding 10,000 annually, perhaps the law of large numbers and the "hive mind" offer up a collective intelligence on the state of the hobby?
Jonathan,
DeleteSorry for the misunderstanding, but it wasn't my intention to criticize the validity of the survey, quite the contrary. My initial remark was only meant in general terms, that someone might always criticize the methodology or ask for "additional figures before we can draw any conclusions".
My apologies to express my opinion inaccurately.
No worries, Phil! Very pleased to see you contribute to the conversation.
DeleteAn interesting point re: gaming WWII in Europe compared to say the UK or the USA. I remember an article in one of the mags where an Austrian wargames group had to keep their location and identity 'secret' as WWII wargaming there tends to be associated with militarism and to some the Third Reich. Maybe things have changed since then but it stood out to me how differently our hobby can be viewed in different parts of the World.
DeleteI don;t think it's a coincidence that wargaming is very Anglocentric. Both the UK and the US are countries with a glorious military history, the military being seen as a cornerstone of the country, veterans being respected etc. In other Western countries this is less so. I'm not saying the military is disrespected in those countries, but there's less of an adoration surrounding the military. I think this has to do with WW2, with many countries having been defeated at some point (on both sides).
DeleteI think history also backs this up: wargaming has its origins in the Prussian military academy. Again, a very militarized country, contrary to current day Germany.
Anyway, I'm not sure where I'm going with this ;-), but I do think the (glorious) military history of one's ow country is somehow reflected in wargaming and the choice of periods.
Phil, I think you are right! How often to peoples continue participating in activities to which is there neither a benefit, nor long established history, nor energizing myth? Well, perhaps with the exception of USA Men's Soccer.
DeleteSteve, I vaguely recall reading that wargaming was either actually banned or sternly discouraged in Germany in the 70s and 80s.
DeleteLocation ‘might’ feed into knowledge / familiarity, but if my own interests are anything to go by, then such a proposal is mixed / confused. My likes based as a UK resident;
ReplyDeleteAncients - Chariot warfare, I don’t live near any sand :-)
Early Medieval - 1066 yes, but then I have no interest in the Normans in say Sicily etc, so yes that might be location bias.
Late Medieval - Wars of the Roses yes, but no interest in the continental wars of the same period, so again, perhaps location bias.
English civil War yes, but no interest in 30 years War, so again perhaps some bias.
AWI, yes, but too far down my list to collect at the moment, I don’t see a bias there, rather I have equal interest in both sides.
Napoleonic yes, but a British army is of less interest to me than an Austrian army, again I don’t see bias, I just like the period.
ACW yes, I like that this is a very different type of war, one of infantry but still horse and musket - no location bias here at all.
WWII yes, most aspects, but tend to collect and play mostly with the east front in mind, so again no particular ‘British’ bias.
If I flip to my boardgame collection, that is collected purely on subject interest and lower level complexity (i.e. playability). The shelves show a diverse range of subjects and anyone would be hard pushed to lever a ‘location’ claim into that lot.
So after some thought, I would say that location may have some influence, but it is some way down the list to other factors. On a side note, the armies that I do like that relate to the UK (1066, WotR, ECW) are very personality driven, so that may appeal. I imagine you could argue the same for AWI.
Hi Norm! Interesting feedback and much appreciated. In the end, it seems you generally agree with the broad inference that location may play a role in wargaming interest.
DeleteHow many of us can claim with certainty that our wargaming interests are not mixed and/or confused? I cannot raise my hand.
Chariot warfare? I do not recall ever seeing any chariot armies out on your table. Have I overlooked this interest of yours? I am shocked!
No, it is on the wish list. I had 15mm New Kingdom / Hittite over 20 years ago and (stupidly) sold them!
DeleteEncouraging to see that my memory (at least on this topic) is not failing me. I am sure many of us have sold off a collection with later regret.
DeleteHi Jonathan- I tend to think a Gamer's choice of Period/Theme may be based on the availability of figures and price...and off course the Funds the Gamer has available.
ReplyDeleteYou may be right, KEV! I wonder if I controlled on hobby spend, we would see this distinction? Certainly, some periods require more figures, larger armies, and larger gaming facilities than others.
DeleteAlthough my collection spans many different eras I do tend to navigate towards periods that are closer to me geographically.
ReplyDeleteOld West and Pirates seem more popular in the US, is this due to location or that games for these periods lean more towards fantasy than reality?
Thanks, Dan!
DeleteOn popularity of Old West and Pirates in the US, I reckon both location and having a fantasy bent contribute. I roll Pulp into this bucket too.
As an American, something must be amiss as I can not remember the last time I played any sort of ACW game! That might change by the end of 2023, however. Also, I have some tentative plans for the Pike&Shot period.
ReplyDeleteIt is curious to me, once you put it into a graphical format, that the ACW - a four year conflict - has the same amount of status on the poll as the two-century span of the Pike&Shot era. The geographical distribution might be altered for those results if the poll broke down for ECW, Thirty Years War, and the Italian Wars. But, subdividing the poll that far would be an entirely different can of worms to dig into, especially for the Ancients topic.
These posts are always interesting to read!
Greg, I still pull the ACW collection out for a game from time to time. Last time was in a series of battles a little over a year ago. When I played F2F more frequently, ACW was always a popular choice. Most gamers I know, maintain ACW collections.
DeleteYou make an interesting observation about binning wargame historical periods. An observation I note too. Why are earlier periods clumped into broad epochs while later conflicts are singled out? Is this differentiation based upon a certain style of warfare and technology? If that is the case, why is ACW not bucketed into 19th Century, Other?
Good to see you enjoy these analytical dips into the survey!
I would expect historical wargamers, as a whole, to show at least a small bias towards their own history. For example, in Nth America I would expect more H&M players to play French & Indian (or the Conquest depending on PoV) or War of 1812 than Clive or Wellsley in India.
ReplyDeleteWithin that context, wars which had an important impact on history rather than just an interesting battle and as such are better known, seem to have wider appeal since people recognize them, but many people probably know a little more about their own history, or history behind a popular movie, than about the obscure history of far away places that haven't been the inspiration of popular movies etc.
I also suspect that what the manufacturers make, and internet sites, online groups etc would also have a major impact on what gets played. How the manufacturers decide on what to make woud then be an important factor, esp for those gamers not interested in doing large nunbers of conversions. Some manufacturers (no names, no pack drill) have enough of a following that they can pretty much sell whatever they feel like doing, others probably, mostly, do what's already popular in their biggest market and just add to the supply which leads to even more interest in what was already popular.
hmm, I wonder if ACW is more popular in the East and Mid-West that on the Pacific coast etc? or do movies overwhelm the actual events?
Ross, there is nothing you write that I can disagree with from a personal viewpoint. You sum it up all very well and in a logical and reasoned manner.
DeleteHaving spent my life in the Pacific Northwest, I can attest to my observations that ACW gaming is alive and well Out West.
Such a range of reasoning. I quite like the movie angle, pointing to my colonial projects started at least in part to Zulu and 55 Days at Peking.
ReplyDeleteThinking that all politics and interests are local, why is it that after living about 7 miles from part of Rochambeu's March for over 50 years I am only now starting some AWI?
Starting gaming in the 1970's I had the privilege of playing at Charlie Sweet's table. Homebrewed rules , army lists, models home cast, from Scruby, terrain made from boxes, paper, model railway kits. After college, a tour in the FRG only added an era, the what if that we lived out day to day.
Coming home, a small but dedicated group of gaming friends helped fuel the trip into Napoleonics that continues.
Ww2 sits in my basement, in 28mm, 15mm and 20mm.
Yes I believe you tend to pick periods that are of interest to the local group.
The ACW versus pike and shot difference between US and Brithish/Australian and New Zealand gamers no doubt comes from the perceived differences of importance of having ancestors involved. Coverage in school gave lots of us some grounding in the period. Rarely do we here in the states trace ancestors back more than 3 or 4 generations, so 17th Century topics don't carry an accompanying family link.
So the survey reflects a 2022 reality.
But I ask you this..... Does every player at the local gamestore who plays a game based on history offset my fantasy gaming?
Hope all the angst from the last couple of years dissipates as everyone starts more "doing what they wanna."
Joe, excellent insights into both rationalizing the survey results and your own personal experiences. Gaming with Charlie Sweet? Peter A and you must be close friends or at least acquaintances.
DeleteBased upon survey responses, the split between the number of historical and non-historical gamers (and all of those somewhere in between) is about even.
Joe and I most certainly are; we met when we were both students at The University of Connecticut in 1973 (Joe was a senior, I was a Freshman). I had written an article for the old NEWA Courier, and in it I mentioned that I would be attending UConn in the Fall. Joe looked up my room at the Registrar's office that September (what privacy rules?!), and paid me a visit at my dorm room. Joe was in the same high school graduating class as Charlie's son, Dave, and that lead to an invitation to a number of games at Charlie's home over the following years. See: https://blundersonthedanube.blogspot.com/2012/12/of-dice-and-tin-men-war-college.html
DeleteI thought so! Thanks for confirming.
DeleteIt's been too long since we last played a game together; hopefully in 2023?!
DeleteYou and Joe or you and I?
DeleteBoth! The fault is entirely my schedule - the more I "cut down", the more it seems I work!
DeleteAs always it makes for interesting reading Jon. Whether the results hold any commercial value, maybe it would be good to get some feedback from WS&S on this issue, or possibly even from manufacturers.
ReplyDeleteAs for bias, these days I find myself much more drawn to battles and campaigns within the British isles or ones overseas that involved some British involvement or other. Whilst I enjoy ACW gaming, I can relate to and enjoy ones more that I have some passing knowledge of due to local history, location etc. So the Monmouth Rebellion or the Battle of Landsdown Hill pique my interest because I can see quite easily where the battles and campaigns were fought, which adds another level of interest to me.
If I lived in the US, I'm sure the same would be true of ACW battles. Luckily I can do this vicariously now via Youtube and the videos from the Rangers (?) at the various sites giving guided tours.
Hope this makes sense?
Hi Steve, your response makes perfect sense and reinforces Joe's hypothesis that period interest could be driven by environmental factors such as school and media.
DeleteYour own experience seems to back up the survey results in that location may influence gaming period. Not for everyone, for sure, but for some.
On the commercial front, if you planned to launch a fantasy/sci-fi magazine would you cater to and target North America or UK markets based on these results?
I've honestly no idea Jon. GW White Dwarf I think is still published in paper form, but much smaller than it used to be even 10 years ago. I'm not sure if any of the other sci fi or fantasy games have their own publication or forums etc. Maybe the latter is the way things will go or on Facebook etc.
DeleteInterestingly Warlord Games have never done a magazine as far as I know, whereas FoW had that tie in with WI a few years ago.
I can't really say my location influences my period preference, WW2 is influenced from childhood, bought up on b&w war films, documentary's and relatives and friends of who lived through it. I did dabble in the ECW and is still a favourite, I also like the ACW but with Dave having such a large collection over the years it as been a bit pointless to duplicate it. All my other periods have been in Europe, Africa, and now the South America's which gave been influenced by figure ranges apart from the Spanish Civil War which caught my attention whole on holiday in the late 1960s.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your thoughts, Phil. Based on your own experience, you would not be surprised to see that I have wargaming periods inspired by travel too. It only takes a spark to ignite a flame.
DeleteInteresting analysis. I kind of understand why the ACW would be more popular in the US as it is more relatable, the names and places. The same can be said of Pike n Shot in the UK, a kind of we fought it so we game it.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Neil! Perhaps this is an example of art imitating life?
DeleteHi Jon, I don't think there is a lot to add that has not been said except....it would be interesting if you could separate out Canada from the US and see if trends there are similar ro Australia and New Zealand, given they are also a Commonwealth nation?
ReplyDeleteThanks, Keith. Unfortunately, American and Canadian respondent locations are lumped into the USA/Canada bucket with no way to identify and bifurcate them. That would be an interesting study to see if Canadians follow Commonwealth tendencies or American tendencies in their wargaming preferences.
DeleteThe other thing that came to my mind when reading the above is that Dungeons and Dragons started in the US and I can imagine it would have been quite popular among students there, whereas I cannot remember it being quite as popular in the UK, New Zealand and Australia, the three countries I have lived in. Many of us had a go and some stuck with it, but we had already been introduced to historical gaming by then.
ReplyDeleteGood point, Lawrence!
DeleteVery interesting study and post. Phil Dutré made a very astute observation on WWII. WWII is still the most popular single period in Continental Europe and Scandinavia, though not as popular in the Anglosphere.
ReplyDeleteWhat also strikes me is that each non-historical period is more popular on the Continent than with us offshore, and that Napoleonics is also only the 5th most popular (2nd here). Are the same factors at work here as with WWII? Or other 'anti-militarist' cultural factors at play?
The 18th century, though a minority interest in all regions (the world is missing out!), is particularly unloved on the Continent. 1.8% as opposed to 2.7/2.8%.
From a relatability point of view, the ACW is surely much closer to us Brits than other non-colonial wars. The primary and secondary sources are (nearly) all in our mother tongue and we can identify with wars starting in a rather ramshackle and amateurish way. I don't play it personally, but it's up there on my wish list.
Thanks, Chris! It was your question from the earlier post that prompted a look from the Location angle.
DeleteYes, WWII seems to be universally popular across all age groups and locations. In fact, WWII is the #1 wargaming period in the survey, year after year.
As we have seen in other analyses, age seem to be a contributing factor in the split between the primarily historical group and primary non-historical group. Given that tendency and with Continental Europe and Scandinavia having a relatively younger population than the UK, seeing non-historical periods relatively more popular on the Continent is not surprising.
Good question!
Now, on ACW, perhaps I need to bring them back out for a remote game or two? Interested?
Ah yes, I didn’t realise that the age profile of Euro wargamers was lower than UK&I gamers.
DeleteChris
USA!!! USA!! USA!!!
ReplyDeleteThe ACW is the bestest CW. Everyone ‘Elis is jealous.
And I should move to the UK. I think I’d fit in. đŸ˜€
Do you have an ACW game on the table today? Would your new English Wargaming buddies agree that the ACW tops the ECW?
DeleteI think the ECW is a wargaming period mostly of interest to the UK only. When you're outside the UK, there are other (more interesting?) Pike & Shot conflicts to choose from. I once offended an English wargamer by mixing cavaliers and roundheads and putting them in the same army. How the hell was I supposed to know?
DeleteACW has a more global ring to it, perhaps also due to tv, movies, etc. It's als easier not getting confused about using the proper figures for the correct army ;-)
On ECW cavalry brouhaha, I would not have worried about it much.
DeleteThe ACW is dull, dull, dull.
DeleteI don't understand the reference to cavaliers and roundheads? Is that mixing up the figures not a problem - both sides dressed the same, more or less - or mixing up the units by putting Rupert's bluecoats in the NMA?
"The ACW is dull, dull, dull."
DeletePlease explain.
It's dull. I can't make it clearer than that. It does nothing for me at all. I find it tactically moribund, and most of the troop types have really boring uniforms. I don't see it as the first modern war, but the last Napoleonic. I am out on a limb here, I know.
DeleteI will play ACW games, and with the people we have in our group (including you) I expect I'll enjoy them because of the company, but it isn't like I'll ever say "Oh goody! ACW tonight!!!". Of course, it is possible that the next game will convert me, and I'll see the light.
I have collected ACW armies, in original Airfix and in other scales too, given it a go, then disposed of the armies having put all of the work in. Each to their own, I guess.
Graham, one day, I may take up this challenge.
DeleteOf I moved to the UK I would convert everyone to ACW gamers through constant charm and bribery.
DeleteACW is the best not bc it’s American per se, but bc it’s Napoleonic but without the confusing troops categories and silly formations. đŸ˜€
And maybe I’d love the ECW too. Anything is possible. đŸ˜€
Stew, keep your Positive Mental Attitude! I do not find ACW gaming dull either.
DeleteAs for location affecting gaming. I've lived in the UK al my life. My published rulers cover Sumerians, Ancient Classical Warfare, The Pacific War of 1879, The Taiping Rebellion (although that can include Brits and French), the Spanish Civil War and the Russian Civil War. There's a set for the Indian Mutiny, but I only wrote them. because someone asked me.
ReplyDeleteOf armies not covered by that list, I've got a good mix of English/UK armies from Henry VIII to George I, as well as a British colonial army or two, but I've also got quite a few Spanish from other periods, French, and goodness knows how many more ancient armies. I'm obviously influenced by my cultural heritage, but I spread my gaming around a lot as well.
Graham, in your wargaming preferences, you march to a beat of a different drummer than many. Your tastes in wargaming periods are eclectic and often times off the beaten path. Typically, not a trend follower, at times, you are a trend setter.
DeleteLike you, I spread my gaming around a lot too. Some of it directly due to your influence!
I don't know about being a trend setter. It's more a case of WTF is that guy doing over there???
DeleteWTF is not What Terrific Fun?
DeleteYes. Typo in my comment. Should be: "What Terrific Fun that guy is having over there"
DeleteThought so!
DeleteI don't fit the geographic profile (US, of course) very well. Absolutely no WW2, not much Fantasy tabletop wargaming at all, no American Civil War (I love the history but find the battles somewhat dull from a tabletop game standpoint, with the cavalry being very important for scouting and raiding, but generally a very minor presence on the battlefield). Napoleonic of course are #1 with me, with Ancient/Medieval and Pike and Shot/Renaissance more or less tied for second and third choice.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Peter! I think I already knew your preferences on period and scale. I can probably add rules and hobby spend into that too!
DeleteIf I stratify US responses by age group, you would see that you are a better fit although the ‘no WWII’ would still present somewhat of an outlier.
DeleteYes, I am quite sure you could add the other data, too. :-)
DeleteI fit the age group demographic tendencies better than the geographic.
For those of us of a certain age, age seems to be the most influential factor.
DeleteHah!
DeleteGiven the tsunami of comments to your post (happens on a fairly regular basis, evidently), I wonder if mine will even be noted among the shells, marine life, and other detritus associated with this force of nature . . . Anyway. Looking over your bullet-pointed summary, I am not a WWII player, though I did get introduced to formal wargaming through 1/76th scale WWII scenarios. I have no real interest in Fantasy/SciFi, aside from the ahistorical match-ups. Long ago, there was an interest in ACW gaming, but that has passed. FWIW, my main periods of interest fall between 3000 BC and 1500 AD, with perhaps another 100 years tacked on at the AD end. I am not sure if my geographic location has anything to do with this preference . . . My interest(s) evolved over time. I think they were more a result of exposure and experience as opposed to location and residency. Interesting to consider, nonetheless.
ReplyDeleteCheers,
Chris
Chris, no comment is ever overlooked or missed. I comb this beach with a fine-toothed rake.
DeleteThank you for your comment and a peek at your Wargaming journey and evolution.
Very interesting point, not sure if culture drives my preferences as strongly as when I was younger. I'm currently mulling over a return to the Amercian Civil war. Though I'm also itching to get my ECW back into action. I'm influenced to a degree by my local gaming group, but to be fair they are willing to try new periods.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Meic! I hope to see your return to the ACW and ECW.
DeleteAs always an interesting post and almost as interesting comments. I think my main interest is the Italian wars, currently followed by Napoleonics with no British I have got WOTR armies for the historical battle in the town I grew up in, definitely ECW or War of three Kingdoms, which I hope/plan to add thirty years war, I was dragged rather unwilling into ww2 by my nephews who are also doing ACW which doesn't interest me to be honest I'm afraid I'm with Trebian in that I find it all a bit boring, it might be because my first 1/72 plastic airfix armies were ACW and everything has been better since?
ReplyDeleteBest Iain
Thanks, Iain! Commentary is always enlightening and expands the topic greatly.
DeleteBesides your interest in the Italian Wars, looks like you fit the UK MO closely.