tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post7605431604969718531..comments2024-03-29T00:41:14.635-07:00Comments on Palouse Wargaming Journal: Sumerians in Action Again!Jonathan Freitaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-90492863553911622172023-03-23T17:12:02.193-07:002023-03-23T17:12:02.193-07:00Thanks, Stew! My opponents seem to be enjoying my...Thanks, Stew! My opponents seem to be enjoying my armies more than I...Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-43527738908627057522023-03-23T15:12:16.452-07:002023-03-23T15:12:16.452-07:00Your troops look good on the table. It’s nice you...Your troops look good on the table. It’s nice you’re enjoying your new armies so much. 😀Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340930167419307092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-24764795275981652392023-03-23T07:19:01.637-07:002023-03-23T07:19:01.637-07:00Thanks, Steve! I had forgotten Stlliman's the...Thanks, Steve! I had forgotten Stlliman's theory about the introduction of the long spear as a counter to the battle cart.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-18089591708507820612023-03-23T07:15:31.463-07:002023-03-23T07:15:31.463-07:00Glad you enjoyed another Sumerian fight, Joe! Comm...Glad you enjoyed another Sumerian fight, Joe! Comments like yours motivate me to continue pounding out battle reports. One more match later today to likely wind this series down and move on to another period.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-80927949527057027292023-03-23T07:10:09.215-07:002023-03-23T07:10:09.215-07:00Thank You, Iain! Yes, Matt played a very good gam...Thank You, Iain! Yes, Matt played a very good game.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-69625938752109450322023-03-23T02:25:19.286-07:002023-03-23T02:25:19.286-07:00Great addition to your 'red and blue' seri...Great addition to your 'red and blue' series of games. So far away from what we're playing era wise, the armies look so cool, and the arrows & such make the blow by blow that much richer to follow. You and Matt certainly give each other a good run on the table.pancernihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09108442113999809459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-10082510712157231712023-03-23T02:23:29.904-07:002023-03-23T02:23:29.904-07:00Splendid looking game, lovely to see your Sumerian...Splendid looking game, lovely to see your Sumerians once more, sounds like Matt played a blinder!<br />Best Iain caveadsum1471https://www.blogger.com/profile/02174163740406928172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-71161488135863263602023-03-23T00:15:34.388-07:002023-03-23T00:15:34.388-07:00From reading Armies of the Ancient Near East, by S...From reading Armies of the Ancient Near East, by Stillman & Tallis, my impression is that:<br /><br />- The battle cars were reserved for the elite (regular) soldiers and commanders. Certainly for the latter they would have provided a better vantage point to view the battle and to be seen.<br />- Originally the battle carts were probably used as a shock force to break the enemies battle line, which given that for the most part they were town/city militia, would not have been too difficult.<br />- With the adoption of the 12' spear to keep the battle carts at bay, they were most likely kept back to persue a broken enemy.<br />- The nature of the terrain fought over, criss crossed with canals and irrigation ditches meant that they would also have had limited room to manouevre.<br />- During the Akkadian period it would appear that the battle carts were used much less due to fighting far afiled and in difficult terrain.<br /><br />All of the above should be viewed in the light of: "Only the vaguest hints of Sumerian battlefield tactics are provided by contemporary textual sources, though rather more may be gleaned from artistic sources."<br />Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12143308117853983963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-29200838049586999462023-03-22T11:27:18.997-07:002023-03-22T11:27:18.997-07:00Good one!Good one!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-4435792728043327252023-03-22T11:01:30.523-07:002023-03-22T11:01:30.523-07:00I can tell a good ass from a bad ass !I can tell a good ass from a bad ass !Matt Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841790422716738842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-82919019459981740402023-03-22T08:13:37.762-07:002023-03-22T08:13:37.762-07:00Thanks! Indeed, winning and losing matters not so...Thanks! Indeed, winning and losing matters not so much.<br /><br />Report back after you have read your book on Sumerian battle cart usage. We each have our notions on how they were used in battle.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-43809658532210832352023-03-22T07:51:50.291-07:002023-03-22T07:51:50.291-07:00Another fine game there despite your side losing a...Another fine game there despite your side losing again Jon! As long as you have fun and a good game, that's all that matters. <br /><br />As mentioned before, I do wonder how these battle wagons were actually used, given how slow and cumbersome they appear to be. Were they battle taxis to ferry the commanders into battles or more like chariots that could 'attack'? Time to read my book that may provide some clues...Steve J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12143308117853983963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-31549185900495282102023-03-22T06:46:51.910-07:002023-03-22T06:46:51.910-07:00The game was splendid, Aly, and Matt is a tough op...The game was splendid, Aly, and Matt is a tough opponent. Perhaps I can squeeze out a victory on Thursday? Perhaps.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-61302877846300203932023-03-22T06:45:06.551-07:002023-03-22T06:45:06.551-07:00Thanks, Matt! With luck, my version of the battle...Thanks, Matt! With luck, my version of the battle tale closely resembles your recollections.<br /><br />This was a fun game and, yes, you get to lay claim to this worthless little strip of land.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-23708176575676276632023-03-22T05:18:19.763-07:002023-03-22T05:18:19.763-07:00Another splendid looking and sounding game Jonatha...Another splendid looking and sounding game Jonathan…<br />Hopefully the next one will go your way…<br /><br />All the best. AlyAly Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12178180028439005095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-25207020128776267742023-03-22T02:12:49.768-07:002023-03-22T02:12:49.768-07:00Splendid write Jon a fine battle although you may ...Splendid write Jon a fine battle although you may have over stated my tactical skills. The game worked really well with equal armies and no terrain to hinder us. The collapse of my first spear blocks was a scary setback…but the asses came through 👍 we will keep the worthless piece of flat desert for now.Matt Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841790422716738842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-80945156841121186102023-03-21T22:52:12.269-07:002023-03-21T22:52:12.269-07:00Thanks, Michael! Impetus is not played on hexes o...Thanks, Michael! Impetus is not played on hexes or a grid. Playing on hexes is my own variation and a grid works well for translating player commands to the table in remote games. Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-57052259191033022572023-03-21T22:49:40.016-07:002023-03-21T22:49:40.016-07:00Ben, glad you enjoyed the report. The game was gr...Ben, glad you enjoyed the report. The game was great fun even though I fell in defeat. You are correct. I should have zagged instead of zigged.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-29933954217148134402023-03-21T18:52:02.347-07:002023-03-21T18:52:02.347-07:00You make ancients gaming very attractive. Does I...You make ancients gaming very attractive. Does Impetus play by hexes, or is the hex grid on your table just fortuitous? I confess I didn't know what a Lugal was until I saw this post, put then again, I don't speak Sumerian. Lovely looking game. Cheers, MichaelMad Padrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410143683610813671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-71906223694025620052023-03-21T18:50:56.533-07:002023-03-21T18:50:56.533-07:00Great game and report Jonathan. Pity about your Lu...Great game and report Jonathan. Pity about your Lugal- it should have zagged instead of zigged 😊Ben Catohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132734496369774300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-45990909951684214272023-03-21T18:03:44.173-07:002023-03-21T18:03:44.173-07:00Thanks so much, Christopher!Thanks so much, Christopher!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-25733433929495728042023-03-21T16:39:14.938-07:002023-03-21T16:39:14.938-07:00Great report on an equaly great looking game!
Chr...Great report on an equaly great looking game!<br /><br />ChristopherChristopher(aka Axebreaker)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13205928451375232865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-38361420482085980492023-03-21T15:04:03.421-07:002023-03-21T15:04:03.421-07:00Mark, that is a very good question. The carts loo...Mark, that is a very good question. The carts look very solidly built and heavy. Once under way, a cart may present a very unnerving sight as it bears down upon you.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-4602145785018985172023-03-21T14:56:51.736-07:002023-03-21T14:56:51.736-07:00Interesting things those war carts. Seeing as they...Interesting things those war carts. Seeing as they were pulled by asses I wonder how fast they actually went? The Jolly Broom Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14037134974588645559noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-41087799487698394832023-03-21T14:01:37.872-07:002023-03-21T14:01:37.872-07:00Too many photos?
You are correct. The Mollwitz...Too many photos? <br /><br />You are correct. The Mollwitz games had more detail and analysis. My games of late have been more frequent so less time to construct a battle report. My hope is that they are still informative and entertaining.<br /><br />Looking forward to your next battle report, as always.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.com