tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post3241968585466940086..comments2024-03-29T00:41:14.635-07:00Comments on Palouse Wargaming Journal: Urring on the Side of Caution?Jonathan Freitaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-68420925247831868652021-07-28T03:25:29.359-07:002021-07-28T03:25:29.359-07:00Thank you, Doug! I wager most of us have armies wh...Thank you, Doug! I wager most of us have armies where the figures became unavailable before a project was finished. I know I have! On the Sumerian front, more infantry coming up before I tackle a battle cart.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-90814278443986839982021-07-27T23:36:50.333-07:002021-07-27T23:36:50.333-07:00Those are rather nice Jonathan. I like the colour ...Those are rather nice Jonathan. I like the colour choice for the shields, lovely and rich looking. I'm with you on buying the whole lot. Nothing worse than getting 80% of the army and then the range becomes unavailable or the company closes down! Will look forward to seeing more units completed, particularly the chariots.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13866756432233805848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-55369413278985699112021-07-22T04:35:35.450-07:002021-07-22T04:35:35.450-07:00Thanks! On bulk buying, you have more discipline ...Thanks! On bulk buying, you have more discipline than I!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-57257530283001092762021-07-22T00:08:56.404-07:002021-07-22T00:08:56.404-07:00Good looking unit Jonathan, the bulk buy is an int...Good looking unit Jonathan, the bulk buy is an interesting approach but not one I tend to follow.👍Matt Crumphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06841790422716738842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-11009453441367305662021-07-21T07:04:14.318-07:002021-07-21T07:04:14.318-07:00Thank you, Peter!Thank you, Peter!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-76272221887197845042021-07-21T05:29:54.264-07:002021-07-21T05:29:54.264-07:00Ooh like these guys a lot! Well done sir!Ooh like these guys a lot! Well done sir!Peter Douglashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14118894381672707297noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-61321928742437011482021-07-20T22:01:32.626-07:002021-07-20T22:01:32.626-07:00I have unpainted lead older than my adult children...I have unpainted lead older than my adult children!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-87286624811982216342021-07-20T21:23:10.552-07:002021-07-20T21:23:10.552-07:00Hypothetically. Most often, I manage to curb my in... Hypothetically. Most often, I manage to curb my inner demons:) I will sell figures after several years of inactivity. I don't have much storage space. When I say several years I mean 5+, but this is not a strict rule. I still have miniatures that I bought in 2013.Dmitry Svidlohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244016690458756346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-68229355646862200432021-07-20T15:48:20.818-07:002021-07-20T15:48:20.818-07:00Thank you, Dmitry! My goal is to work in Sumerian...Thank you, Dmitry! My goal is to work in Sumerian units on a regular basis into the painting queue. We will see how it goes. <br /><br />Once you purchase all of the figures for a new project and interest wanes, what do you do with the figures? Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-5131538032601041892021-07-20T13:03:07.049-07:002021-07-20T13:03:07.049-07:00Nicely looking Sumerian infantrymen. And I’m looki...Nicely looking Sumerian infantrymen. And I’m looking forward to see the next units of this unusual but really interesting age.<br />It’s a big temptation to buy all available miniatures of a new project army. And soon after the purchasing my passion fades. Let’s consider it is an investition into wargame industry :)Dmitry Svidlohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04244016690458756346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-38997880476632625772021-07-20T04:55:32.403-07:002021-07-20T04:55:32.403-07:00I am not familiar with CP Models. I will give the...I am not familiar with CP Models. I will give them a look. Thanks for your comments.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-39415813412370343672021-07-20T04:52:27.929-07:002021-07-20T04:52:27.929-07:00Glad you approve!Glad you approve!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-31167927828903231872021-07-20T04:51:22.742-07:002021-07-20T04:51:22.742-07:00Thanks, Phil!Thanks, Phil!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-9024187586237012152021-07-20T01:39:14.982-07:002021-07-20T01:39:14.982-07:00I'd say that the WF range is incomplete rather...I'd say that the WF range is incomplete rather than inaccurate. I would guess you are expected to use one of the foot figures as "chariot" crew. The slingers and bowmen are mostly subject peoples (except for the battle line archers) so you could use the figures in the Minoan range to supplement them. What is odd is the absence of a Lugal/Command figure. <br /><br />I understand why people like the deep musculature on modern 28mm figures, as it gives depth to the figure when painted. and makes the figures look more warrior like.<br /><br />The Newline Sumerians look a lot like those from CP Models, and I would make the same comments about them in terms of builds and the small shields. I like his command figure, and if you but "To Ur" from him, you get a general figure included in the price.Trebianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-33267543187940337772021-07-20T01:17:56.987-07:002021-07-20T01:17:56.987-07:00These look great Jonathan.
Regards, JamesThese look great Jonathan.<br />Regards, JamesJames Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17897755636246185173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-24664279134779934192021-07-19T23:27:27.287-07:002021-07-19T23:27:27.287-07:00Awesome unit, and period...I do like the spears an...Awesome unit, and period...I do like the spears and the shields...Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08913029478686087197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-31231653279415619042021-07-19T20:59:36.186-07:002021-07-19T20:59:36.186-07:00Back at ya! 😀Back at ya! 😀Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340930167419307092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-56274433908138400622021-07-19T10:18:31.698-07:002021-07-19T10:18:31.698-07:00U R clever!U R clever!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-40180149043332253902021-07-19T08:40:18.030-07:002021-07-19T08:40:18.030-07:00Nice looking dudes. I too tend to go large on a n...Nice looking dudes. I too tend to go large on a new project (for me) especially if it’s a new genre as I buy both sides. That way whenever the URuge strikes to actually paint the figures are waiting. 😀Stewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00340930167419307092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-42174958712074068242021-07-19T08:26:11.280-07:002021-07-19T08:26:11.280-07:00Thank you! A number of options are viable. "I...<br />Thank you! A number of options are viable. "Impetvs", "To the Strongest!", and Graham's "To Ur is Human" come to mind.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-60460909138403984292021-07-19T08:10:01.837-07:002021-07-19T08:10:01.837-07:00Good points, all, Graham, and a good discussion of...Good points, all, Graham, and a good discussion of our interpretations of this ancient history.<br /><br />As you state, the evidence is thin. We may not know what we don't know and what we do know or think we know may be incorrect.<br /><br />Using Wargames Foundry's range of Sumerians as a guide to troop types is misleading too. There are no crew for the battle carts. Were these autonomous vehicles? No slingers or bowmen are present either. Your rules list slingers and bowmen as a viable troop type. Perhaps, Foundry's range is still a work in progress and the range with all of the various troop types and poses remains a work in progress.<br /><br />What you have accomplished is open up a period new to me and trigger a desire for more investigation on my part.<br /><br />Oh, and I like the look of the muscular Newline Designs' figures. Perhaps, this is the start of my first Fantasy Project?Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-11122770799575851012021-07-18T02:25:41.111-07:002021-07-18T02:25:41.111-07:00I love Jon's painting of these figures, but I ...I love Jon's painting of these figures, but I do struggle with the models and the poses. Jon & I have spoken about this, so hopefully this is no surprise. The Sumerian armies were made up , mainly, of citizen farmers as far as we can tell, with a few "Royal Guards". Sort of proto-Greek hoplites in terms of military duty. I think that they are unlikely to have looked like a scrum front row or a line of scrimmage in terms of physical build. They will have been on a low protein diet, and will have been more wiry in build than muscular (if you visit developing countries then you will notice this still, especially when you move into the countryside) . This is true of most of history, but figure designers don't care, mostly (except for 1/72 soft plastic designers, although they still err in terms of height).<br /><br />The other issue is that the idea of small shields has crept into 28mm figure design. The evidence, such as we have it, is for man sized shields for the heavy infantry armed with shields (possibly with the front rank being shield carriers), not for light and easy to swing about semi-bucklers. The images we have for light troops also don't have shields, which shouldn't be a surprise if you think about Greek psiloi with javelins and slings.<br /><br />Of course the evidence is really thin - a point I make in To Ur is Human - and there is nothing to say troops like this did not exist, it's just there's nothing to say that they do. It is interesting that the Wargames Foundry range, where Nigel Stillman gave the historical advice, have a much more limited range of figures and poses. <br /><br />Unpopular tho' it might be, I'd go as far as to suggest the most accurate range you can get in terms of equipment and figure physique is the range from Hat in 20mm.Trebianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02221916804339000102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-16752855013934523422021-07-17T21:42:15.052-07:002021-07-17T21:42:15.052-07:00Happy to provide some inspiration, John! If you a...Happy to provide some inspiration, John! If you are wanting rules’ suggestions, let me know.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-11807679693678037162021-07-17T20:06:51.356-07:002021-07-17T20:06:51.356-07:00A good start to a new project- I have a soft spot ...A good start to a new project- I have a soft spot for Sumerians and keep thinking about building an army- you've given me more inspiration!Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778030858712526137noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-34173222904230933872021-07-17T17:38:40.278-07:002021-07-17T17:38:40.278-07:00Another entry for the “buy a bunch first” camp. E...Another entry for the “buy a bunch first” camp. Excellent! Glad you like the Biblicals.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.com