tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post3500674258528103736..comments2024-03-28T18:38:29.133-07:00Comments on Palouse Wargaming Journal: ECW Battle of Southam - IronsidesJonathan Freitaghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-80718802427899755512017-05-11T20:20:39.630-07:002017-05-11T20:20:39.630-07:00Jonathan, I am about to start playing ECW with the...Jonathan, I am about to start playing ECW with the Ironsides rules, so I am VERY interested in exactly what changes you made to it!<br />Chris Salanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03411995268488657748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-3588591369701440322015-10-22T09:21:13.350-07:002015-10-22T09:21:13.350-07:00OHW is definitely the worst of the lot. I do not k...OHW is definitely the worst of the lot. I do not know Ironsides in detail (so sorry if I missed some crucial bits), but are very much aware of BI. Based on that, I would vote for Impetus and then the reasoning: <br />1) Impetus is always a bit of gamble, high risk, big reward situations and encourages to use certain units in daring way (but supported). <br />2) Movement is relatively 'liberal', and to obtain flank attack, requires quite bit of work. In any case, movement system is not about exact angles and millimeters.<br />3) Units tend to wear really fast in BI when they start falling apart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-44339511956242488682015-10-18T19:32:42.083-07:002015-10-18T19:32:42.083-07:00Michael! I can understand your position on OHW. ...Michael! I can understand your position on OHW. For me, both Impetvs and Ironsides produced more interesting games in about the same amount of time. One size does not fit all...well, unless of course, your are referring to OHW!<br /><br />Happy to tempt you into ECW!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-56673210245532664722015-10-18T19:18:23.765-07:002015-10-18T19:18:23.765-07:00No intelligent thoughts to offer on any of these r...No intelligent thoughts to offer on any of these rules sets (other than OHW, too basic for my tastes) but your ECW figures look fantastic. I am always tempted by this period when I see figures nicely done.Mad Padrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00410143683610813671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-60818664900950861792015-10-17T09:25:01.899-07:002015-10-17T09:25:01.899-07:00Glad you like them!Glad you like them!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-11644800998654469582015-10-17T01:35:48.694-07:002015-10-17T01:35:48.694-07:00Very cool armies Jonathan!Very cool armies Jonathan!Paulalbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03482911273863430204noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-79757728886801306402015-10-16T12:32:42.918-07:002015-10-16T12:32:42.918-07:00One of the problems we have had with our current E...One of the problems we have had with our current ECW rule set ("Warr Without an Enemie") is that at first we kept inadvertently "cross-gaming" . . . that is applying 'rules' from other rule sets, not in fact the way our current set works.<br /><br />So, yes, familiar "rules" are an advantage in one way . . . but they do often get in the way when playing different rules.<br /><br /><br />-- Jeff<br />Bluebear Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05171345165563779232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-12731573421939814752015-10-16T06:19:46.418-07:002015-10-16T06:19:46.418-07:00Not only medieval as in Reconquista but Impetvs ha...Not only medieval as in Reconquista but Impetvs has been employed in Punic Wars and Great Italian Wars too. Even my Samurai Battles project got an Impetvs treatment. All have been very good fun.<br /><br />As for the Southam comparison, all three games (OHW, Impetvs, and Ironsides) were all played exclusively from the QRS. All played to conclusion quite rapidly. <br /><br />Having a familiar system able to leap across multiple periods helps with rules' retention, for sure. One must make sure that these inter-period hops don't result in games that all experience the same "sameness" if you know what I mean.<br /><br />Always appreciate your thoughtfulness, Soren.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-37627403205801083722015-10-16T06:11:07.574-07:002015-10-16T06:11:07.574-07:00Good idea, Jeff! I have other neglected collectio...Good idea, Jeff! I have other neglected collections vying for table time, though. This was a fun exercise that has not quite yet run its course.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-86906240807440222402015-10-16T00:13:03.890-07:002015-10-16T00:13:03.890-07:00Like above comments, I'd probably go with Impe...Like above comments, I'd probably go with Impetus as a no1, not only because they play well, but also because you're using the same rules framework for the medieval/dark age period if I understand correctly. My parallel reference is the usage of the Black Powder family with Hail Caesar, Pike & Shotte and Last Argument of Kings. I don't play as often as I'd like (work and family life demands attention) so having a familiar system really makes it much easier to "fall into character" and remember rules after a gaming break of weeks if not months sometimes. This raises the quality of a game for me, as I really dislike stopping the game flow to constantly check quick refs or searching in rules books for a certain detail.Black Powderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04811405795071310375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-31636015070378301272015-10-15T23:41:37.953-07:002015-10-15T23:41:37.953-07:00Okay, Jonathan, the obvious solution to my mind is...Okay, Jonathan, the obvious solution to my mind is to pick a different ECW scenario and have a new "fight off" between "Ironside" and "Impetus".<br /><br /><br />-- JeffBluebear Jeffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05171345165563779232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-36870227297817638202015-10-15T20:14:58.061-07:002015-10-15T20:14:58.061-07:00I enjoyed all three games too, although, there are...I enjoyed all three games too, although, there are mechanisms I liked better than others.<br /><br />Glad you enjoyed the comparisons, Peter!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-63660553108764993052015-10-15T20:12:39.827-07:002015-10-15T20:12:39.827-07:00CK, that how I lean towards rankings too. Both Im...CK, that how I lean towards rankings too. Both Impetvs and Ironsides produced better games in my mind. I enjoyed all three, though.<br /><br />Whitehouse's Ironsides has been around for a very long time. His rules, Old Trousers, uses the same game engine. I discovered Ironsides in MWAN #93 in 1998. 1998? Yes, I have been playing this set of rules for nearly thirty years! Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-35992380948996983212015-10-15T20:07:14.624-07:002015-10-15T20:07:14.624-07:00Christopher, thanks! I will know when the dust se...Christopher, thanks! I will know when the dust settles from the three actions.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-80638167058092340242015-10-15T19:00:45.587-07:002015-10-15T19:00:45.587-07:00I enjoyed all three, and they all seemed to give r...I enjoyed all three, and they all seemed to give reasonable results. Thanks for the write ups and I look forward to your conclusions!Gonsalvohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16531623280789478092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-28219548076748278482015-10-15T18:30:09.025-07:002015-10-15T18:30:09.025-07:00Hmm hard to say.
I would say Ironsides tied with...Hmm hard to say. <br /><br />I would say Ironsides tied with Impetus with One Hour bringing up the rear. <br /><br />I wasn't aware that HW, whose work I really admire, had written an ECW set. I'd be interested to hear what you have to make of them. . Conrad Kinchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15683395740934527502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-11640511409892816662015-10-15T17:58:52.658-07:002015-10-15T17:58:52.658-07:00Great looking game and AAR! It will be interesting...Great looking game and AAR! It will be interesting to see which one you prefer.<br /><br />ChristopherChristopher(aka Axebreaker)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13205928451375232865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-21365682469524616752015-10-15T17:40:07.086-07:002015-10-15T17:40:07.086-07:00Until I review my notes and cogitate on the topic ...Until I review my notes and cogitate on the topic a bit, I am uncertain whether Impetvs or Ironsides with get the top spot. There are features that I like in both. OHW will rank #3 for as it did for you and Jeff.<br /><br />I appreciate your assessment.Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-10833306515980898982015-10-15T12:18:41.041-07:002015-10-15T12:18:41.041-07:00I have to say I second Jeff, Impetus, Ironside and...I have to say I second Jeff, Impetus, Ironside and then one hour wargame, that's the impression I get from reading the bat reps so interested in what your view is! I'm using pike and shot for ecw,the war of three kingdoms or whatever it's currently called and quite liking it , maybe one more refight?<br />All the best Iaincaveadsum1471https://www.blogger.com/profile/02174163740406928172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-85277970306335753842015-10-15T12:02:39.201-07:002015-10-15T12:02:39.201-07:00Thanks, Phil!Thanks, Phil!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-15767817846302816762015-10-15T09:43:04.485-07:002015-10-15T09:43:04.485-07:00lovely looking game and painted units!lovely looking game and painted units!Phil Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02369365598439913360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-36231031939284631082015-10-15T06:27:21.545-07:002015-10-15T06:27:21.545-07:00Very kind, Phil. Thank you!Very kind, Phil. Thank you!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-84234510129591061662015-10-15T06:26:44.873-07:002015-10-15T06:26:44.873-07:00Glad you enjoyed the series, Aaron!Glad you enjoyed the series, Aaron!Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-2120793898601898882015-10-15T06:26:19.750-07:002015-10-15T06:26:19.750-07:00Ah, Jeff, your impressions are valuable. That you...Ah, Jeff, your impressions are valuable. That you could rank the three based solely on another's BatReps is commendable and I appreciate your participation..Jonathan Freitaghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07862373894196924886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2267180105171392028.post-79080199520995235602015-10-15T02:00:34.502-07:002015-10-15T02:00:34.502-07:00Happy to look at such beautiful armies and charges...Happy to look at such beautiful armies and charges, love the Ironside one!Philhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08913029478686087197noreply@blogger.com